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It's HOF Lobbying Time Again

The stories are starting. ESPN has one propping Jim Rice today. The other day, there was one on Bruce Sutter.The campaigning has begun for the oft-ignored to make it into Cooperstown. We'll hear about...

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Bob Hulsey nails right on the head about Morris...3ws... winningest pitcher in the 80's... he was a bigtime money pitcher in the playoffs...he did more for his team then people realize... and the...

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Until Shoeless Joe and Pete Rose are members, quoting someone's accomplishments as "hall of fame" qualifications means nothing.

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I cannot believe you people are falling for the fraud that is Jack Morris.________________H-Town GroovesA blog about music in Houston, Texas.

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Pitching is about preventing runs, and Jack Morris was only slightly above average at that. For the whole of his career, he allowed just 77 fewer earned runs than a park-adjusted, league average...

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I hate to do lobbying of my own, but I'm working on the finishing touches on my book "On the Outside Looking in" on this very subject. As such, I will not reveal any trade secrets at this time. I just...

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Phenomenal Smith wrote:Quote: I cannot believe you people are falling for the fraud that is Jack Morris254 wins and 175 CG in MLB and he is a fraud? If that is the case... I wish every Astro pitcher...

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Compared to Blyleven he is, and anybody who would think otherwise really hasn't thought through their analysis. Morris is the poster boy for a slightly above pitcher with great run...

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Morris is a fraud. He didn't even qualify for my book (top five right handed pitchers not in the Hall of Fame). Here are a couple of clues.Wins: 254Neutral Wins: 232Losses: 186Neutral Losses: 208ERA+:...

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Barzilla, I think you and Smith calling Morris a fraud is simply ludicrous.As far as your stats go... I simply could not care less about a bunch of gyrated numbers... it does not impress me in the...

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Morris was dominating in the WS. When the heast and the spotlight was on, Morris shut everyone down.If I had to pick someone to pitch one game for all the marbles, I'd be hard pressed to choose anyone...

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Alright, some post-season numbers......OverallW: 7L: 4Inn: 92.1ERA: 3.80SO/BB: 64/32League Championship SeriesW: 3L: 2INN: 40.2ERA: 4.87SO/BB: 24/14World SeriesW: 4L: 2Inn: 51.2ERA: 2.96SO/BB:...

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Being too young to have seen either player, at least to remember seeing either player, I don't know if I can contribute much to that debate.However, I've seen the argument that numbers are (insert...

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For the record, I wasn't the one that called him a fraud. I simply think there is a significant list of pitchers that need to be voted in before him (like 10-15 guys)

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Barzilla wrote:Quote: Morris is a fraud. Later on Barzilla wrote:Quote: For the record, I wasn't the one that called him a fraud.

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I think Bert Blyleven had the best career of pitchers not in the Hall of Fame. I think it should stay that way. I don't think anyone is worthy this year. I'm not sure relief pitcher belong in the...

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Quote:Barzilla wrote: Morris is a fraudAh, you caught me. I wasn't the first person who floated it out there though. People jumped on the Morris bandwagon. I'm not going to pick a random good player...

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Quote:Ah, you caught me. I wasn't the first person who floated it out there though. People jumped on the Morris bandwagon. I'm not going to pick a random good player and explain why he isn't a Hall of...

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I should have been clearer by what I meant. In terms of being a HOF candidate, he is a fraud. Perhaps a useful way of looking at it is to put his and Blyleven's career numbers into one season of 250...

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Scott,You seem to enjoy catching me in intellectual entanglements. It's okay, it keeps me honest. Blyleven is clearly the best out of the Hall of Fame. I put it this way, in my book I picked five...

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